I couldn't agree more. IMO a lot of the problems with accessibility is exacerbated by these huge crossover tie-ins.
I don't know much much about the Ultimate Marvel universe though, except that I read (and loved) the first two Ultimates series. When I heard that Loeb was taking over for Ultimates 3 I was physically ill.
One of my irl friends told me that his major problem with Ultimates 1 & 2 was the treatment of Banner (before he Hulked out again and ate people.)
I don't know. It's ham-fisted and the characters are asses to each other, but for me that's part of the appeal. I know that's strange. It seemed to skate on a fine edge between the kind of wonderful industrial-military-complex type of material that Warren Ellis puts out, and the 'superheroes would be narcissistic @$$holes in the real world' type stuff that Garth Ennis seems to enjoy pumping out. (Although I think Ennis is milking that theme a little thin lately.)
That was genuinely disturbing, for the realism. That's probably what you would get when you add what would generally be considered mild homophobia, a lack of confidence in your own sexuality and the release of a cannibalistic monster on heat. T_T
In the fairness of context though, I don't think anything about the Hulk was meant to be endearing. (Some stupid people though seemed to consider it funny.)
It took me a few times reading to pick up on the supposed humour of it, maybe because the writer part of me wonders how such a pathetic creature could ever be considered funny.
Well, maybe. I mean, Hulk's supposed to not be very intelligent (not fond of moron, tbh, but I'm not calling you out here, just saying), and this is true. But the writers choose how to portray that, and when they choose to portray that as Hulk killing aliens because he thinks they're gay? Yeah, that's really not cool.
you could be right. the writer couldve just left that part out. im not trying to argue about it, im just saying-depending on which incarnation of Hulk it is, he could be stupid, vicious, with any number of bad character traits. Especially Ultimates Hulk. I wouldnt expect him to understand homophobia, or care.
but its totally possible the writer just did the scene cause he thought it was funny..
Yeah, but the Hulk doesn't exist independent of being written, drawn, animated, filmed, etc.
So we're not seeing how Hulk thinks, we're seeing the writer's thought processes. And the writer thought pantomiming a gay bashing with Hulk and aliens was funny? Yeah, I kind of guessed that when I read it. But that doesn't invalidate what I am saying.
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lisaquestions) wrote2009-05-20 08:06 pm
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I don't know much much about the Ultimate Marvel universe though, except that I read (and loved) the first two Ultimates series. When I heard that Loeb was taking over for Ultimates 3 I was physically ill.
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Er, Ultimate X-Men had some good stuff, but I think it possibly jumped the shark as well.
And yeah, Ultimates 3 was not so good. Parts of the first two bugged me as well.
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I don't know. It's ham-fisted and the characters are asses to each other, but for me that's part of the appeal. I know that's strange. It seemed to skate on a fine edge between the kind of wonderful industrial-military-complex type of material that Warren Ellis puts out, and the 'superheroes would be narcissistic @$$holes in the real world' type stuff that Garth Ennis seems to enjoy pumping out. (Although I think Ennis is milking that theme a little thin lately.)
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Stuff like "HULK STRAIGHT!" followed by Hulk killing aliens because he thought they wanted to sex him up was really disturbing to me.
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In the fairness of context though, I don't think anything about the Hulk was meant to be endearing. (Some stupid people though seemed to consider it funny.)
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I get the impression that was meant to be funny. And part of me wonders if the writer realized how awful it was, or cared.
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It took me a few times reading to pick up on the supposed humour of it, maybe because the writer part of me wonders how such a pathetic creature could ever be considered funny.
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The animated version was treated a bit better.
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That and I really wanted the X-Men to be cool.
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but its totally possible the writer just did the scene cause he thought it was funny..
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So we're not seeing how Hulk thinks, we're seeing the writer's thought processes. And the writer thought pantomiming a gay bashing with Hulk and aliens was funny? Yeah, I kind of guessed that when I read it. But that doesn't invalidate what I am saying.
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